Okay, nothing gets my goat like this one.
If you are healer, then bloody well heal, that was why you picked that character type in the first place (That includes all you hybrids). Carry two sets of armour, one for leveling (PVE) and one healing (RVR), use the addon equipmentsets to flip armour, tactics and morale abilities easily, when jumping between scenarios/ORvR and PVE.
Warhammer allows a lot of flexibility in changing specs for different situations. It’s like me going out with my KotBS and not bringing a tanking setup to maximise my characters abilities for my main role. So I carry 2 sets of armour at all times.
You aren’t going to win a scenario without any healers, so turning up and expecting to do damage, is merely dooming your side to a crushing defeat and not returning many rps to your bar, so use that thing that sits between your ears and think. Look at the scenario groupings and evaluate if you are low on healers, move between groups if another group is short a healer. It’s easy, click on the grey symbol on the mini map, leave one group and join another (Note to Mythic, do we really need to leave and join, can’t you just join another group?).
Hell it’s like turning up to the party without any beer and if your that kind of person, then remind me not to group with you.
PS – There was all started again, by this bloody archmage who comes out with the classic line … I am DPS spec’d. So beep beepin what…. My blood is still boiling now. Counting to 1.3 million and still rising.
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As a heal spec Shaman my priority is to keep my group alive first and foremost. If we’re doing well and have plenty of healers and some tanks willing to look after us then hell I’ll also go DPS as a SECONDARY aspect.
Now if I was DPS spec then I would still heal, as best as i can, to make sure my group stays alive, however my primary role would be DPS.
Its the same as 2hander tanks surely. We expect them to look after the back line, while in turn they go running off hacking away doing mediocre damage while qqing they aren’t getting any heals?
I understand what you’re saying, but whith regards to hybrid healers it’s a grey area that some players just don’t get, including the ones playing them. They think that because they have invested the time and gold into being DPS they can ignor a major aspect of thier class…….healing! A decent player should use all their abilities to the max whether they are DPS speced healers/tanks or pure healers/defencive Tanks.
Even a “DPS spec” Archmage can pump out a boatload of healing. It’s my preferred style of play actually, and you really don’t need to swap equipment. If anything, a few different tactics and maybe one or two morale abilities.
If they can’t dish out 70k damage/140k heals, they’re doing it wrong.
As a tank in scenarios, I want to be up front, absorbing as much damage as possible and basically looking for people to punt away, snaring them to keep them away from the softer classes. Also using my abilities to allow the MDPS to get in close and do the damage they need to. Always in scenarios I am in a toughness/wounds suit with a sword and shield combo. I am not in there to do damage, just soak it up.
With Hybrids you have to look at the situation, but alot of the time you side will be short of healers and rarely do you win without good healing, unless the other is incompetent.
The thing about the “I am DPS spec’d”, it was put out in such a fashion as to absolve this player from healing, you hear it from warrior priest occassionally. If you are DPS spec’d hybrid, then you have look at the group make up. If you have no healers, your primary concern regardless of spec, has to be healing.
With my rune priest, I was in the game to heal in ORvR and scenarios, that how I perceived my job. By having 2 suits, I could shift an extra 33% more willpower or intellingence to which ever side needed it. That’s alot of extra healing. Matching up you tactic’s to suit was a big plus as well.
I’ve definitely played with “healers” who don’t heal (who hasn’t). In fact I knew an AM who didn’t want to be known as a healer … then why did they roll an AM and then later a WP?!?!?!
My main is a BW but to help the guild I leveled a WP up to 40. Definitely a different experience but also a fun one. WAR more than most MMOs (I’ve gathered) is about teamwork. Everyone has their role and everyone can contribute.
When I run scenarios with my WP I know my role. I am specced Salvation/Grace which makes me an awesome healer. So I heal. To build up Righteous Fury I will lend a hand here and there with some melee but I am not going to be dropping Destro like the MDPS and Tanks I’m running with. I focus on the task at hand which is keeping my party members alive.
I can’t speak for how playing an AM or RP goes but for a WP there are times you need to melee so you can heal and we have some abilities that heal from damage we give. But in the end, our best heals come from our group heal.
I am a Warrior Priest and have played all three lines extensively. As Wrath spec (DPS), there’s no way you’re going to be able to simply throw on a different set a gear and heal effectively with your casted healing abilities. You probably have most of your renown points in strength/melee crit, and you won’t have any abilities from Salvation (the healing line), and additionally, no points in that line means the base abilities are much less potent. Does not that mean you’re off the hook from healing responsibilities? No, as a melee spec Warrior Priest you provide some of the best burst, single-target healing in the game. However, you’re going to need to be up on the front lines doing damage (OMG!) in order to be effective.
@Andy,
Ultimately only the healers can heal and that’s the bottom line of it. So yes you can be spec’d for DPS, but you can still do a lot to mitigate this when going into ORvR, with adjustment of gear and tactics.
So unless the group is bursting with healers, the dps healers have got to heal. I don’t want to hear I am dps, just throw out whatever you have. Even an insta dot will allow somebody to get involved again, instead of waiting to be smacked to death with a passing gust of wind.
If you’ll notice in my previous post, I never said, as a Wrath spec’d Warrior Priest, you shouldn’t be healing. However, to suggest such a spec’d Warrior Priest should be standing in back healing the same way a Salvation spec’d Warrior Priest heals is misguided. You’ll be vastly less effective than if you were on the front lines, playing the spec they way it is supposed to be played, healing via doing damage.
My point is, I agree with you that hybrids spec’d for DPS aren’t absolved from some form of healing. But, to suggest that you know how that person should be playing their class, to suggest, per my original example, that a Warrior Priest should always be in healing gear, spamming their group heal because the scenario is low on healers and that’s how you’ve seen other Warrior Priests heal is simply ignorant.
@Andy,
Ignorant is a very strong word to use. Misguided would probably have been more appropiate in the context of this discussion.
I think we are creating a disagreement where one really doesn’t exist. I will take onboard you comments about the differences.
I don’t really take much notice of other classes, since I don’t know what the other classes spell effects actually relate to and I tend to be 2 busy playing my own class. I do take notice of stupid comments in /sc though:)
You’re correct. Ignorant was too strong a word. I never meant offense but rather, a misunderstanding of class mechanics.
I never understood healers that would spec DPS, if you want a dps toon go play a dps toon.
I kinda have the same thoughts on Tanks that roll with dps as well.
I love to heal on my RP, the only time I use an offensive manuver is to help finish off someone. For me, it is less stressfull to heal for some reason. Yesterday, I’m on my Slayer and at 10% health after I killed someone and there was just a warrior priest and myself standing there, he didn’t shoot me one heal, I didn’t say anything but I was thinking “really, are you serious”.
@Chris,
It can really grate can’t it? You are thinking, just throw a heal dot or something, so that at least I can back off, get up to max health and get back into the fight.
When I was on my rune priest, I would throw out dots all the time, since if the other player had any sense they would be backing off once their health was going south and hope for someone to heal.
On a side note, this is the most comments on one topic I have had in 7 months. So thanks to all.