AMs do Ailments and Hexes (which are highly used by SHs and Magi as I said).

Shamans do Ailments and Ailments and Curses (which are highly used by SWs and hell, nothing uses curses as far as I can tell).

Seems like cleansing of curse is more of a problem than anything else, as there seem to be very few curses coming from the order side of the fence. Fix that discrepency (by making more DPS abilities as curses or changing the cleanse for the shaman to be ail/hex), and it’s a wash.

I’ll say this though: shaman w/ green’ cleanin’ are the complete and utter bane of my SW.

So the order healer cleanses are as follows: WPs hexes and curses, RPs curses and ailments, AMs hexes and ailments.

Don’t worry about my comment, it was a bit mixed up.

However I agree that the RP is still not up there with the WP, the single target heal is just not viable even with the reduction in cast, beyond PvE.

And I don’t understand how SM Whispering Wind synergy with WP Cleansing Power has anything to do with the change to single target cleanses? AM/RP/Zealot/Shaman are perhaps most viable in small-scale, but still behind WP/DoK in viability (you’ll always want a solid AoE healer in a group, RP/AMs are not solid AoE healers).

Are you saying that the situation is fine because AM/etc. are small-scale healers while WP/DoKs are viable at both small-scale and large-scale?

Not trying to argue here, just trying to understand your exact meaning. I’m a bit thick-headed sometimes.

As a Zealot, I think I’ll swap in the tactic situationally if it’s a baseline tactic… (sorry, can’t remember Endless Gifts because I don’t think I’ve ever slotted it.. probably means it’s useless…)

It’ll be nice to insta-cleanse someone of, say, two Boiling Bloods (which HURT).

However, it WILL be rough giving up a tactic slot for it… I’m not sure what I’ll swap out. We shall see, I suppose. But, I like that I have to make the choice. Should be good!

I appreciate what you are saying, but isn’t that what we have SM’s for, doesn’t one of the healer classes get a cleanse which does the whole group?

The cleansing change only affects the dynamic of small scale RvR. Cleansing is FUBAR in large scale fights unless it’s AoE. Which is why I was referring to small scale, where a healer won’t be able to sacrifice a tactic slot for cleansing, unlike in a warband where you have a lot more lee-way.

To increase the viability of healers other than WP/DoK in large-scale play their AoE heals must become much much less fragile (2 sec is way too much). Having a bigger value and scaling on AoE heals is ok, but as long as they take forever and a bit to cast and are easily interruptable they won’t be viable. Any kind of single target healing is bound to fail when facing the amount of AoE damage dps careers can pump out (and morale dumps). Those are the only changes that will make other healers viable. Why can’t Mythic see that.